OOXML Purdah 
2007-08-11, 11:49
Countries around the world are deciding on their vote on OOXML in the five-month letter ballot, which closes on 2 September.


BSI House, Gunnersbury, London


The UK, too, is deciding — or more precisely the British Standards Institute (BSI) is deciding on behalf of the UK. However, unlike some countries the decision-making process here takes place behind closed doors in accord with the rules of BS 0, the standard which governs standards-making in the UK. This states:

Committee members shall not disclose committee proceedings/documents to any body, [...], without the committee’s express authorization.

Committee membership is also confidential (though BSI will make known which organisations are represented on committees)

The names of individual representatives shall not be made public by BSI so that individuals serving on committees are not exposed to lobbying or media attention.

I can see this causing raised eyebrows in some quarters. IBM's Bob Sutor, for example has called for everybody to learn from the current process that future standards should be ‘created in better, more open, more transparent ways’. Yet looking around the world I see no correspondence between the openness of decision-making, and quality of decision making. Openness, like choice, is one of the most over-sold concepts of our age and there are good reasons for some things to remain closed. Jury deliberations are a prime example – and perhaps some of the same considerations apply, in a lesser way, to the processes of standards formation.

There have been allegations from some of the sillier partisan commentators that the UK has had its standards processes abused while considering OOXML. But I have seen absolutely no evidence of this; if anything the opposite has been true — because of the publicity around OOXML everybody involved has been ultra-sure to stick exactly to the rules. So while strong opinions, of all shades, have been strongly expressed I do not believe there has been any undue influence exerted. As a small example of the caution used, Microsoft recently distributed two lavishly produced volumes of support for OOXML to BSI committee members, yet because the comment period had been closed for several weeks their contents simply could not be taken into account.


Microsoft's lavish publications

BRM Convenorship


I have been appointed by the SC 34 secretariat as the convenor of the up-coming Ballot Resolution Meeting on OOXML (should it happen). As with UK standardisation I am sure the key to success will be an ultra-conscientious application of the rules. I have made the JTC 1 Directives my constant companion and am working with SC 34 colleagues to make sure my understanding of them is complete.

I have received commiserations from several people on this appointment, and am assured it will be a very stressful experience. However, right now, I am glad to be relieved of the responsibility of having, or expressing, a technical opinion on OOXML, and am looking forward to being a neutral administrator of the standards process ...

carlos 
2007-08-12, 01:37
"I have been appointed by the SC 34 secretariat as the convenor of the up-coming Ballot Resolution Meeting on OOXML (should it happen). "

My congratulations to you, Alex.

I'm a software developer and i have a strong ( technical ) opinion against the fast-track standardization of DIS 29500. I read your blog regularly and i know the ( transparent and hard ) work[1] that the technical expert group of BSI has done to analyze DIS 29500 and i believe you are a neutral and honest person.

Good luck and greetings from Argentina

[1] http://www.xmlopen.org/ooxml-wiki/index.php/Main_Page


Alex Brown 
2007-08-12, 07:52
@Carlos

Thanks!

Do you know if the Instituto Argentino de Normalizacion (IRAM) will be responding to the DIS 29500 ballot on Argentina's behalf?

- Alex.

Administrator (Alex Brown) 
2007-08-14, 07:30
@Alex

Do you know if the Instituto Argentino de Normalizacion (IRAM) will be responding to the DIS 29500 ballot on Argentina's behalf?

My understanding is that IRAM won't participate in this process.

One organization of Argentina, SOLAR ( SOftware Libre ARgentina ), presented a letter to IRAM requesting its participation:

http://www.solar.org.ar/IMG/pdf/carta-iram-NO-OOXML.pdf

But i believe that IRAM, as someone said here, will apply the "Ostrich algorithm", ie "to stick your head in the sand and pretend that there is no problem" :-(

Thank you for you interest.

Carlos

Stefan Gustavson 
2007-08-17, 22:42
> Microsoft recently distributed two lavishly produced volumes
> of support for OOXML to BSI committee members

Hmm. Membership in BSI committees is confidential and not disclosed to the public, but Microsoft, who has a committee member on the inside, knows where to send those books. That sounds more than a bit unfair to me.

I am not saying that anyone else should start lobbying in this questionable manner, but wouldn't an openness on who is on the committee at least present a more level playing field?

Openness *is* a good and proven way of exposing any foul play to public scrutiny. Incidents such as the seemingly thwarted recent ballot procedure in Switzerland, at which at least two members took offense and filed complaints, would be less likely to happen if it had been decided that the meeting minutes would be made public. The public eye does tend to make people behave and stick to procedures in meetings.

You assure us that procedure will be followed in Britain, but many other committees have had big problems with exactly that. I trust your good intentions, but BSI is inherently no more immune to manipulation than the committees in Switzerland, Portugal or the Netherlands. It all depends on a select few individuals serving in the technical committee, and I would not like to bet the future of international document standards on a group of unknown individuals.

I would like to see more openness and public exposure. I encourage you to at least consider publishing the minutes without disclosing the names of the individuals.


yoonkit 
2007-08-24, 19:55
Hi. Im using your image on "The case for OpenXML" for a new caption competition. I hope you dont mind!

http://www.openmalaysiablog.com/2007/08 ... ntest.html


yk.

jean 
2007-08-27, 14:34
"As with UK standardisation I am sure the key to success will be an ultra-conscientious application of the rules. I have made the JTC 1 Directives my constant companion and am working with SC 34 colleagues to make sure my understanding of them is complete."

IMHO, JTC1 directives does not allow for a standard proposal to be submitted in the form of ZIP files.

What is your view on this?

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